Area Presbyterians Vote Yes On Gay Clergy


The Presbyterian Church (USA) is six steps closer to making a dramatic change after over 30 years of debating gay and lesbian ordination. Over the last week, six Presbyteries voted yes on a constitutional amendment that allows gay and lesbian people to be ordained whether or not they are in a partnered relationship.

On January 17, Des Moines, Northern Kansas, and Newton (NJ) voted yes and on January 24, Baltimore, Albany and New Castle (DE), voted yes.

Coming up! On January 27, five more presbyteries will vote: Utica (NY), Carlisle (PA), Palisades (NJ), Donegal (PA), and San Fernando (CA) and, on January 31, four more will cast their ballots: Southern Kansas, Western North Carolina, Huntingdon (PA), and Cayuga-Syracuse (NY).

For a complete list of presbyteries go to http://www.1000conversations.org.

In the past, partnered gay and lesbian clergy were required to be celibate, while their straight married counterparts were not. At its General Assembly, the church's highest legislative body, in June 2008, an amendment was passed that would eliminate the current ban on partnered gay candidates for the clergy. The amendment requires the majority of the 173 local presbyteries (regional clusters of churches) to pass the legislation before it takes effect. While the final deadline for voting is June 2009, almost half of the denomination will vote by the end of February.

Several conservative leaning presbyteries voted early which tends to limit conversation on gay concerns, but if Presbyterians follow general trends nationwide, there will be more support for equal standards for ordination. A majority of positive votes for a constitutional change in the Presbyterian Church (USA) would make them the third mainline denomination, including the United Church of Christ and the Episcopal Church US, to ordain openly gay clergy without requiring celibacy.

Decades-long struggle has caused congregations to leave the denomination. But, supporters of equality point out that only a small percentage of congregations will break away and many have left already with the acceptance of celibate gay clergy.

Lisa Larges, director of That All May Freely Serve said, "The church is realizing that gay candidates with outstanding qualifications for ordination, as well as their supporters, will leave the church for more accepting denominations if Presbyterians continue to require celibacy for gay clergy."

David Paul, candidate for ministry in New Hope Presbytery (Eastern NC) said, "Although actions taken in June 2008 at our national policy-setting meeting now allow gay people to seek ordination by submitting a written conscientious objection to their Presbytery in hopes of being accepted without celibacy, it is time for our church to proclaim that all people are equal before God rather than bending the rules to let a few of us through."

"We're very hopeful that people who have shied away from these votes in the past will show up and vote their conscience," said the Rev. Mieke Vandersall, Minister Director of Presbyterian Welcome. "We believe the Spirit that moved the General Assembly can move the church as a whole and we will finally see full equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people called to the ministry. People know it is just a matter of time before the church fully answers Christ's call for inclusion. Many of us feel that time is now."

Other indications of a trend toward more support for gay people include high church court decisions in 2008 to clear two clergy women who were charged for performing marriages for same-sex couples. The court reasoned that because the church defines marriage as being between one man and one woman, no marriage per se was performed. While the decisions puzzled many, by its interpretation, the courts avoided punishing the ministers.

Also in 2008, votes in the General Assembly voided interpretations of rules used to ban openly gay clergy and affirmed a candidate's right to submit a conscientious objection to their presbytery if they disagree with the existing ban on partnered gay clergy.


Presbyterian Welcome As a network of Presbyterian churches and individuals in the New York metropolitan area, our mission is to clear the way in the Presbyterian Church (USA) for the ordination of ministers, elders and deacons without regard to sexual orientation or gender identity. Visit http://www.presbyterianwelcome.org

That All May Freely Serve is an organization working for the ordination of qualified gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender candidates in the Presbyterian Church (USA) as Elders, Deacons, and Ministers. Visit http://www.tamfs.org

Media Contact:
Lisa Larges, That All May Freely Serve (585) 615-0613 llarges@tamfs.org


Published on: 2009-01-28



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Posted 266 days ago
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Jeff Winter
Posted 1208 days ago
Thanks Nida for your honesty. In your opinion, this is not about the purity of the Bride of Christ. Rather it's about you winning and someone else losing. Calling someone an "idiot" is not a compelling way to put forth your point of view. Any time you demean someone else to make a point only shows one's ignorance and lack of respect for someone else's point of view. Your movement will never win out because it is against the clear teaching of Scripture.
Earl Tilford
Posted 1209 days ago
While we Christians remaining in the PCUSA may not "stem the tide" of this movement nationally, at least for the present, we have stemmed it in the denomination and will do so again. As for the nation, thirty states have passed laws affirming that marriage is, indeed, a relationship between one man and one woman. When this matter is brought up to voters, many of whom are not Christians, the outcome is the same. It takes courage and the ability to withstand ridicule, but we have more than "a few old relic verses" on our side, we have the totality of the Bible and, more important, truth.
In fact, most of Christendom, especially Christians in Asia and Africa, and throughout the Roman Catholic world, virtually speak with one voice on this matter: the practice of homosexuality is a sin reflecting a perversion of God's intent for humanity.
Nida
Posted 1209 days ago
you idiots need to understand that you cannot stem the tide of this movement. we dont care what you old 'christians' used to think. we dont care what some old relic verses state. its not about any god. its about a movement that cant be stopped. quit being religious and get real
Shelly
Posted 1210 days ago
Christ's church will ultimately prevail. All this vote will do is determine if the PC(usa) wished to depart further from His church.
And how many more Christians will depart the PC(usa) also.
So sad, that so many 'leaders' in a 'church' don't know or believe in the powerful Christ that has delivered people like me away from such behavior that this website endorses. The good news is that even though you may have given up on Christ, he has not given up on you.
Repent and see what happens.
Calvin C.
Posted 1210 days ago
"People know it is just a matter of time before the church fully answers Christ's call for inclusion."
Except it wont be a church anymore. Just people with a secular agenda playing church. God will not bless this - when, and if, it happens.
This past General Assembly is clear evidence that God withdrew his Holy Spirit from the assembly. Such ungodliness endorsed, such unholy behavior revealed.
Stephen
Posted 1210 days ago
There are no "gay candidates with outstanding qualifications for ordination". Holding a theological position that God condemns puts one at enmity with God - and disqualifies the individual for ordination in any Christian denomination.
Georgie
Posted 1210 days ago
no offense, but you are getting your butts kicked in the voting - you all so overplayed your hand at G.A. that rank and file are truly and totally pissed off.
For good reason. You make no Scriptural or coherant Christian argument for your point of view. Annd, to your dismay, there are Christians left in the PCUSA.
Reformed Catholic
Posted 1210 days ago
Interesting spin .... since 28 presbyteries have already voted, and none have changed their vote since the last time such a change was voted on, its currently 9 for the change, and 28 against. If all stays the same the change will go down in defeat by 46 yes and 127 no !!
Earl Tilford
Posted 1210 days ago
Those seeking gay ordination might leave the PCUSA if the the Book of Order remains unchanged! Oh that it were so! Adios...or...just go! The sooner the better.
Jeff Winter
Posted 1210 days ago
I will be working to keep the Book of Order within the PCUSA as is
 


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